Steel thread for U.S steel companies

Last earnings season the one thing that was the most profitable for me were (U.S.) steel earnings.

@dag was the first to post on it, a big thank you to him. Check out his post on the steel earnings in October.

An interesting pattern was observed on the few previous earnings, where it dipped right after the release but went on a run the following weeks.

As @Conqueror commented:

"These earnings drops are phenomenon that we followed quite a bit. Algos aren’t very good at reading, as we know, and often get the bullishness of earnings reports wrong. We’ve seen stocks with record earnings and bullish outlook tank the second the report comes out and fail to recover for a day or two (most recent I can remember was NVDA).

So should the earnings from these companies be bullish (or for most companies, but that’s for another thread) buying the dip is often extremely profitable. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out."

I’m long term bullish on U.S. steel, and it has been beaten down a bit.

I quickly wanted to create this earnings thread,
So that people that are interested have a place to post.

I’ll try and add some indepth DD this week.

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I look forward to your more in-depth DD. I googled earnings and I’m seeing 1/27/2022; is that correct? It would be nice to snatch a long position at a bigger discount.

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That is correct!

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Just posting some historical data on NUE



Nucor also recently announced that they are opening a new 2.7B plant in West Virginia

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STLD past 3 earnings



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Good shit Brummel. The server has been repeatedly profitable in these still plays and I’ve opened/will be opening positions for this.

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CLF, this one is especially interesting considering it has been beaten down more than the rest.



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So we should buy after earnings release or before?

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That’s on you. Can buy before ER for a swing trade, or after ER for a dip buy day/swing trade. But it might not dip this time and it might not run at all.

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Interesting article, also take into account that steel prices are expected to decline this year. That’s why a positive guidance is going to be of the utmost importance.

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American steel did not follow the same dip-and-rip pattern, i played FD’s in October on X that went 400%. Might take a small gamble position again on thursday. ER is after hours.

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X was a good one, grabbed some DD off here and did well on that one also. May do the same again as well.

The one thing I remember about that play was there isn’t a lot of liquidity in options for these so keep that in mind with a bigger position and scaling in/out.

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Earnings for the tickers that i´m going to be watching:

STLD: Monday, Jan 24 @ 4:30 PM ET
NUE: Thursday, Jan 27 @ 8:00 AM ET
X: Thursday, Jan 27 @ 4:20 PM ET
CLF: Friday, Feb 11 @ 7:00 AM ET

For STLD, Analyst consensus from https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/stld/analyst-research
Based on analysts offering 12 month price targets for STLD in the last 3 months. The average price target is $72.67 with a high estimate of $86 and a low estimate of $60 .

Something i found on Reddit:

The big positive news will be the improvement in free cash flow that started because 1) major capex spending is declining as Sinton comes online and 2) prices stabilized in Q4 so working capital is steady though some more inventory is required as Sinton production ramps and 3) Sinton production is started. There will also be good news on the buybacks as it becomes more obvious that the company will continue buying back stock at a pace of approximately 1% of the outstanding each month and they will reiterate that they already repurchased $1.1B+ of stock during 2021 or about 8.5% of company.

The wildcard will be deal terms and income statement impacts from the Q4 deal for the 45% of New Process Steel.

expect the company to guide for around $5/share in Q1 EPS as HRC sales prices will be lower though should still average $1,250/ton and volumes should increase 10+%. I also expect a dividend increase in February from $0.26/quarter to at least $0.32/quarter or +23%. My further sense is that Steel Dynamics will highlight their superb timing as they have completed major capex investments while peers and competitors are ramping up capex in 2022/23 in an elevated cost environment. They may also consider a bit of balance sheet enhancement and for example, refinance their $400 million of 2026, 5% debt for $500 million of 2032, 3.25% debt.

There were some delays: SDI Texas steel mill startup pushed back | Latest Market News

Would love to hear a few bear cases on this.

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I’m bullish in steel and in CLF

Bear case is whatever tf is happening in the market rn lol. We can reassess around FOMC unless we go bear gang in the time being

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I’m bullish on steel as well, but thought I’d post bearish thesis that is trending in Vitards.

Could just be someone short on CLF, but some interesting dd.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vitards/comments/s2im8x/steelmageddon_dd/

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The North American steel market is in for some rough months ahead, with excess supplies, rising inventories and shrinking demand, according to the head of Stelco Holdings Inc. Steelmaker shares fell.

“It’s a falling knife,” Stelco Chief Executive Officer Alan Kestenbaum said Thursday in an interview. “The question is when does it go the other way and where are we in the economic cycle? I think it turns at some point, but I don’t know where it bottoms out.”

The grim view for 2022 follows a stellar year for the industry, with the largest U.S. steelmakers expected to post record full-year earnings after domestic steel prices surged as much as 94% to an all-time high of nearly $2,000 a short ton. Kestenbaum was the first steel CEO to publicly sound the alarm two weeks ago when he warned investors that his company’s steel shipments are taking a hit as the rapid spread of omicron accelerates absenteeism internally and even more among customers’ work crews.

Shares of Stelco fell alongside the major U.S. steelmakers following Kestenbaum’s comments. The Canadian producer fell 6.3% in Toronto, while Nucor Corp., U.S. Steel Corp., Cleveland-Cliffs Inc. and Steel Dynamics Inc. erased gains for the day. An index of 14 steel companies dropped 3.5% and is on pace for the biggest weekly decline since June.

The situation is especially negative delivering into the automotive and construction sectors, with those industries reporting inventories are rising and customer demand is drying up, the head of the Hamilton, Ontario-based steelmaker said.

“When I spoke two weeks ago, there was a lack of visibility. Now we have vastly more and it’s pretty clear what’s happening: significant oversupply and significant shrinkage of demand right now and you’re seeing it in the inventory numbers,” he said

Steel shipments in the U.S. and Canada have plunged 17% since August and inventories have climbed 15% in the same period, according to data from the Metals Service Center Institute. Benchmark steel prices are down more than 26% since touching an all-time high at the end of August. And analysts at Bloomberg Intelligence said inflationary pressures and demand slowdown could make it harder for steel sector stocks to outperform in 2022.

“I don’t think there will be a choice but for people to acknowledge in the next couple weeks we’re in a difficult environment,” Kestenbaum said.

A well-supplied North American steel market sits in stark contrast to other industrial metals that are currently surging in price. Investors are worried supplies of aluminum, nickel and copper are dwindling across the globe, leaving consumers without material necessary to make enough of everything from beer cans to washing machines and automobiles. The price of steel, currently about $1,440 a ton, is still well above recent historical levels of about $840 a ton.

source:Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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Bit busy right now, hesitant to enter anything in these market conditions, Will reassess next week. Have a few STLD calls that are down.

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To everyone who loaded in CLF (including me) on any deeps for earnings pls read this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vitards/comments/s1o5i8/clevelandcliffs_to_announce_fourthquarter_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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Interesting trading week we had!

Steel (like most stocks) took a big hit, makes for a good entry point on an ER play.

That being said the bull case on steel isn’t as strong as it was in October.

I’m going to wait for the ER release of STLD before I’ll buy more calls, this, for several reasons.

  • would like to see how the market reacts to
    the ER. Which in turn will give some guidance for the other steel tickers.

  • It’s Monday after hours, this will give some room to listen to the conference call and it enables us to plan out an strategy for the next trading day.

  • Would also like to see SPY show some signs of a bullish bounce.
    Don’t necessarily have this planned as a swing trade, but it might just be a decent scalping opportunity on a dip.

Shall reassess this week

Have a good weekend everyone!

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