The Think Tank: Macro Discussion and Opportunities Brainstorming

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Two great thought pieces.

The first is from Lyn Alden, who reaches back 100 years and walks us through various periods of inflation, currency devaluation, and corresponding monetary and fiscal responses, doing a masterful job of demonstrating how history rhymes.

The key takeaway:

The “endgame” for the current high-debt environment will likely involve a combination of high fiscal deficit spending (monetized by central banks), cash and Treasury yields held persistently below the prevailing inflation rate, a trend shift from disinflation to inflation, and subsequently a period of currency devaluation.

The second is from Cem Karsan who pontificates on macroeconomic changes, demography, populism, structural vs cyclical challenges etc. Some key points for the coming months and years:

  • companies will see margin compression,
  • the economy will do better than the market,
  • rates will keep going up,
  • we’ll generally see a switch from supply-led economy to demand-led economy, and
  • active investing will matter again (vs passive).

Another great Cem Masterclass.

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The simple bullet of “sales are down” is great for demand destruction. Even diving in the details I don’t see any reason we reverse course this morning.

What we know from retail sales:

What Is Down

  • Vehicle and Parts Dealers
  • Gasoline Stations
  • Building Materials (homes)
  • Electronics
  • Furniture
  • Sports, hobbies and books
  • Miscellaneous retailers

What is Up

  • Grocery

In line with the inflation reports yesterday we’re seeing a shift in consumer priorities from nice-to-haves to necessities, largely due to the increased cost of food. I believe this to be a foreboding of consumer sentiment at 10AM this morning and will point to diminished numbers, below forecast. This is good news for the next 3-6 weeks if it materializes, though, as it means that our rally will probably be sustained until after the midterms (which is what we originally thought).

For now my eyes are glued at the 10AM EDT news drop. Be careful of it, this number has changed the course of the day on us more than once.

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Boy I sure ate those words: “I don’t see any reason we reverse course this morning.” Also the words “I think sentiment is down this month”. I’m completely full on the words I’ve eaten in the past 4 hours.

Retrospective analysis is important, and in previous threads I’ve hypothesized that inflation control is cool until it starts hitting profitability. I believe this is the point in which the markets start asking “but at what price?” Historically we were able to look at waning orders and sales and declare that we’re winning the war at inflation because of demand destruction. Today what we saw is that we’re winning the war at demand destruction, but at the expense of corporate profitability.

I had mentioned in my previous post that the line in the sand splits the O in HOPE, and here’s the picture I made:

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Today’s news reaction paired with a whole bunch of overseas uncertainty helped solidify this theory for me - inflation will always play second fiddle to profitability when it comes to our trades and investors will turn on inflation control very quickly when it means their individual profitability is at risk.

Next week is earnings and more importantly, guidance. The banks did not provide terrible outlooks today which is fine, but some of these others we have coming up next week (I’m really eyeing TSLA and will post in our earnings thread why I think they might be the next and possibly last great fucked stock of 2022) could be that point where the markets begin to realize that our aggressive monetary policy is starting to have negative effects on our equities (note, we’re down 20%+ on the year already).

Don’t position based on inclinations, wait to see because you’ll have plenty of time to play the fallout if it happens, but basically every week through the end of the year carries earnings that can disrupt the markets. Cash for scalps and not overleveraged longer dated positions you can average down on are probably going to be your savior heading into the start of next year.

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As @macromicrodick pointed out, it seems like this news was glossed over today.

I would’ve thought that this news would help markets to rally.

Added to this thread so we can circle back to this piece of news for any insightful discussion.

Wanted to share two thoughts as we go into another potentially rather explosive week. When things can get quite confusing, helps to keep the big picture in mind. This is one version of the future of course; please do share what you think.

Expectations of market recovery contingent on Fed pivot

Part of the expectation for a market recovery soon is based on the Fed pivoting.

The thing is, if the Fed pivots it will very likely be because there is a recession. In which case, markets will go down to price the recession in, which it has not done at all yet. That rates will go a few points lower may not help much in that case.

Now, if there is no recession and/or noticeable hurt to the labor market, we can expect core inflation to keeping running somewhat hot, given wage-price spiral and all that. Which then means that rates will remain high for a while. Which, in turn, will keep markets depressed.

Thus, feels like we’re in a bit of a “depressed market if there’s a pivot, depressed market if there isn’t one” situation.

Incidentally, inversions are abnormal and we’re around a massive -0.5% right now, so we should expect the long end to eventually catch up and be higher than the short end. If there is no pivot, that just means even more discounting for risk assets as the long end has to rise a lot more. (Buying TLT is a play if one believes this.)

In the event that something breaks, I think the Fed will first try to control it by providing unlimited liquidity through things like the reverse repo facility or buying bonds, because messing with rates disrupts their inflation mandate. This is perhaps what the Treasury Dept was trying to get a feel for when they sent the survey out about buying bonds from the secondary market (vs primary, like how the Fed does it now).

Also, one of ways this episode is different from previous episodes of economic regime change is the Fed is raising rates into a recession. That puts us in rather uncharted territory.

Associated market corrections

As we can see below, Fed Fund rate expectations have flared up in the last two days, thanks to the CPI print. (This moves in parallel to the yields I noted above.) As we know, this will effect equity pricing.

(Source)

People have a choice to earn 4%+ on risk-free government bonds now, that is soon to be 5%. Historically, there’s been 100-200 bps risk premium for equity compared to bonds. Current S&P P/E is 18. So that’s about a 5.5% yield ( ~= 1/18). Imagine what happens when bond yields hit 5%. People - retail and institutions - will switch from equity to bonds en masse. Many are starting to do so already.

Also, this is before any earnings adjustments. If earnings are bad, P/E goes up even more! Which means even more of a correction. Considering all this, fair value of S&P is probably quite a bit lower than where we are now.

This does not mean that this will happen immediately. Q3 earnings are key. If earnings - and more importantly, guidance - disappoints, we could begin this leg down soon, helped along by rising rates. However, it is not clear how bad earnings will be, if at all. We have seen how companies are still adding jobs in the aggregate, and consumer spending is still quite strong. While layoffs may not begin until earnings take a hit, consumer spending should be a leading indicator. This suggests that we might have to wait another quarter for this earnings effect to occur. Maybe even two.


All in, I find it difficult to see how the stock market becomes bullish again anytime before late 2023. Though there’ll certainly be bear market rallies. And if Q3 earnings are not bad, we might even have a Santa rally into the end of the year before we revert back to the overarching bear-market trends.

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This is all great stuff @The_Ni. I do think we should level-set expectations here. This thread is a macro-economic discussion and Ni’s post does an amazing job to outline what I believe is thoughtful analysis on how the market will most likely behave long-term. But this thread is not a predictor of what will happen tomorrow, next week or next month necessarily. The market may be quite bullish for the next few weeks based on existing support levels and the potential for companies to have solid earnings beats. So please consider this outstanding information in the context in which it is intended: a discussion of macro-economic conditions that could be a predictor of medium and/or long-term market movements. Cheers!

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Very important caveat, thanks for spelling it out, @Machetephil ! Markets have a way of doing what they’re doing… there were folks who went full bear mode in 2005 because they thought the housing crash was imminent. They were proved correct in 2008, but by then, they were out of powder, or worse. We play what the days and weeks give us, with this more spelling out one possible future trajectory. For if and when it happens.

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My standpoint here is I know we have all be patiently awaiting this seasons earnings as a point for our next leg down. However as I shared in I believe Stag thread I’m hesitant to think that this quarters reporting will be sooo bad that it creates a hyperbolic move downward.

Basically what we have to realize is this reporting is hindsight essentially so we are getting earnings from July August September when PPI CPI was elevated Retail numbers were still high.

So most of these companies should still be reporting strong as @swoleappa mentiined in TF many companies could Use this moment to implement share buybacks in mh opinion if this is in the cards no better time than now to do so most are close to their LOY.

All will likely comedown to guidance and as I voiced to these guys earlier I’m not sure these CEOs are ready to come out and admit they are looking at declines.

Good points as always @The_Ni

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We’ve just made new lows and a few % points away from pre-covid levels.

I’d really like to avoid spreading the notion there’s no reason to be bullish as the upside is becoming increasingly more enticing for big money vs playing the downside. We just recently had a whole month of face ripping rally before we had a catalyst to make it go towards the downside. While I appreciate the thorough analysis I feel like sometimes we can’t come to grips that a market is supposed to go up because that’s what the market has done for it’s entirety of existence.

I’m on the same page as @jjcox82 that the large catalyst coming is ER season, specifically the blue chips, but considering the levels we’re at now it has to be even worse than what’s already priced in to make another huge move downwards. Is it possible? Yes. Probable? I don’t think so. Either way we’ll see but let’s not get back to just doom and gloom based on data vs watching for catalysts to move markets.

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I’m still holding 11/18 and 1/23 SPY puts as well as SPXU as I agree with @The_Ni that we’ll eventually go down further. I’ll look for opportunities to add to my position if we push up further after today.

I also agree with @jjcox82 and @SuckyMayor that we may see more green before we go back down. I scaled into shares twice, but still have 75% of boomer funds in cash waiting for lower lows. I may enter calls too, just not feeling it yet.

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Giving this some thought today came to conclusion that it’s just as likely this ER season could be a catalyst up as down. Most prints have been beats so far however they have been nearly all banks and frankly this environment is hugely bullish for banks for last few months. Rising rates means larger revenues and rising debt or borrowing is how they make their money. It’s when defaults or credit losses start to roll in that effects their earnings.

However we have some companies coming this week that can have a larger affect on the overall market. NFLX TSLA some major transportation tickers such as JBHT and UNP. As well as some tech segments like SNAP which isn’t necessarily some big conglomerate but we have seen how it can affect the likes of META and other tech. We are at the moment of a pause with big Econ news as far as PPI and CPI which were released minutes were released and don’t have an FOMC rate hike til November.

If we continue to see good earnings come out which is possible because again we are seeing the three months prior. Also several large scale companies have already adjust workforce to engage in cost saving efforts. Plus many have already adjusted guidance making for easy beats. And leveled guidance on their reporting. I wouldn’t be shocked to see a bit of a run up if the earnings keep coming positively.

This presents us with multiple opportunities. We can enjoy the peace and quiet from the fed with a move up making money on the way. This also presents us with the opportunity to position for next quarters earnings or even next months FOMC meetings with further dated puts. From my standpoint though I wouldnt expect a large leg down anytime soon. We aren’t going to be green everyday and rip back to 450. But I’d expect a green October if the earnings continue to beat or even be mediocre. Barring some drastic SNAP NFLX TSLA news this week.

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A data point to support the notion that the Fed pivot is not good for the markets:

What happens to Stock Prices when the Fed Pivots? Historically - they crash by even more.Over the last 6 Major Recessions, Stocks Crashed an average of 28% AFTER the Fed did 1st Rate Cut. Taking another 14 Months to get to the “Bottom”.

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Not actionable at the moment since the Fed has not pivoted, and does not preclude a (sustained?) bear market rally before this, but for context if and when the Fed pivots.

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Been tracking this thing for a bit to make sure its not too good to be true, and that the correlation persists over time. Seems to be the case, so sharing here for your scrutiny.

Basically, there is a strong correlation between SPY, and (Fed balance sheet - (Reverse repo + TGA balance)). This graphic highlights it well.

(Source; this individual updates this regularly.)

I replicated it in TV using this formula: FRED:WALCL/1000-(FRED:WTREGEN+FRED:RRPONTSYD/1000). The correlation seems legit.

It isn’t accurate at the day level, and is more of a “reversion to the mean” kind of thing. Seems like market keeps coming back to the net balance area, so that’s one way we could use this intelligence.

Why does this work? Since Fed balance sheet is all the extra liquidity that got pumped into the market, and Reverse Repo and TGA (Treasury General Account) are two places where excess liquidity is parked, the balance seems to be the post-COVID liquidity out there sloshing around in the markets. And yes, this does not work in a pre-Covid world.

Fascinating, right?

It is also a little depressing because it suggests we are slaves to market liquidity first in a world of free money, and the rest of it is largely noise.

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so, we going bullish? kek

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Well, that was short-lived, to say the least.
We only had 2 hours of bullish movement and then total flush from 12pm.

Just want to review today’s catalysts:

  • Bad TSLA ER the previous evening.
  • Liz Truss of UK, resigns as Prime Minister.
  • Bad news from Apple’s supplier (was kind of disregarded at open really).
  • All that, but the real kicker was Bond Yields pushing to heights not seen since 2008.

$TNX for the CBOE 10 Year Treasury Note Yield…

@Kevin brought attention to it near 2pm…

100point hike came back to the menu…
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Everything melded together against what little bullish momentum there was.

This should break at some point, but most likely only for a breather…


I think we’re in for a world of hurt. And then some.

Keep cash at the end of the day.
At least no big positions.
Remind yourself of Friday dehedging.
Best to be agile.

Ok. So what else did I miss?
Oh snap. oh yeah

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Okay so Ive been noticing a trend/pattern for the past month with TMV and SPY. Every time SPY falls TMV goes up for the most part. I’ve been testing the $110 Nov 18 Call options on TMV on my paper account to see how it’ll play out and so far amazing “gains”. I don’t really understand it as to why it’s working but it’s working, I’ll test it again today at open but I have a pretty good feeling it’ll be profitable since SPY is down currently. Again I’m testing it on a paper account!

Can someone help me figure out why it’s working? Pwease :pray:t3:

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As the Fed enters its quiet period before the next FOMC on Nov 1-2, the Fed Whisperer put out the following:

Federal Reserve officials are barreling toward another interest-rate rise of 0.75 percentage point at their meeting Nov. 1-2 and are likely to debate then whether and how to signal plans to approve a smaller increase in December.

Some officials have begun signaling their desire both to slow down the pace of increases soon and to stop raising rates early next year to see how their moves this year are slowing the economy. They want to reduce the risk of causing an unnecessarily sharp slowdown. Others have said it is too soon for those discussions because high inflation is proving to be more persistent and broad.

If officials are entertaining a half-point rate rise in December, they would want to prepare investors for that decision in the weeks after their Nov. 1-2 meeting without prompting another sustained rally.

This led markets to reprice rate band probabilities from this on Thu:

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to this now:

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The max terminal rate has come down. Interestingly, even though this piece was pretty clear that Dec would see 50 bps, market is still pricing it at 50/50.

We also see this in the drop in bond yields - this certainly aided the market rally to end the week. The repricing was by about 20bps already though, so unlikely for these to fall much more into next week.

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@Gunshyraqcity , the connecting link would be bond yields, which have been going up for a while now.

First piece to the puzzle: TMV is a 3X leveraged bearish ETF on the 20+ yr Treasury bonds. This is designed to go up (a lot) when bonds - not yields, the bond price themselves - go down, and vice versa. Bonds go down when yields go up.

Second piece to the puzzle: As bond yields go up, stock prices go down. This is because the discount rate has increased, and risk is being repriced.

Putting the two together:

  • Yields go up, bonds go down in value
  • As bonds go down in value, the bear ETF TMV goes up
  • Also, as yields go down, stocks go down.

This results in the following happening:

Does that make sense?

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@The_Ni Yes! Now I understand thank you so much! So the play I tested yesterday was (on a paper account)

If I did the exact trade on my live account what would have been the odds of that same return?

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close to 0 - paper trading fills and real money fills are not the same, especially since you put in market orders, especially for a 35% gain in 33 seconds. I’d go even further and say you probably would’ve lost money.

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