The Think Tank: Macro Discussion and Opportunities Brainstorming

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Next week is packed full of catalysts that could potential make this a rocky week. The big ones to me that we should watch closely:

  • Tuesday 8:30 AM - Housing starts and building permits - Both metrics have been on slow declines the past two months, a sharp decline could be a problem for the housing market. Both metrics are expected to decline based on forecasts.
  • Wednesday 10:00 AM - Home Sales August - This has been stepping down for about 6 months now. If it reverses course this could be very bearish in the near term, but the forecast has us continuing to step down.
  • Wednesday 2:00PM and 2:30PM - FOMC notes and press conference - We know the drill here. Stuff gets really wild once this data drops. We’ve run successfully with calls right before the news drop and this week may be no different. We’re currently expecting a 3.25% rate to come out of this, so anything higher or lower than that is going to send the market into a wild frenzy
  • Thursday 8:30AM - The next wave of initial jobless claims. We saw this go down today which may have contributed to some of the downward motion we felt. It’s not considered a “hot” data drop, but it’s something to monitor going forward as the Fed seeks to curb inflation by reducing money supply (and inflation and unemployment are inversely related in short-run)
  • Friday 9:45AM - S&P Global Services, Composite, Manufacturing PMI - A point of interest, the current forecast is expecting higher than previous numbers on all months indicating economic growth which aligns with some of the numbers we’re seeing. If it comes in lower it could spell bad news for investors as a sign of further sustained contraction.

I think each of these we can jump into the night prior, double check the forecasts, and start to put together what we think the outcomes of each of these mean to the morning market movements.

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A general thought and something we can start thinking about now as well: right now we’ve had the luxury of looking at a single market narrative - inflation. Eventually the effects of Fed rate hikes are going to become noticeable and the narrative is going to change to the next thing. My guess at the moment, and I believe shared with most here, is that the next narrative will be impending or confirmed recession.

Which market metric do you all think we should be watching to declare the inflation narrative stalled or obsolete?

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I would say what we should be looking for is the opposite of inflation… Deflation. The Fed let the pendulum swing so far out of balance that we ended up where we are with rampant inflation. My opinion is purely speculative, but I belive the too little too late actions of the Fed will culminate in a knee-jerk reaction that sends us sharply in the other direction in a bad way as fear propagates through the market and people take their money out and run for the hills (hedges).

Our entire economy is essentially based on credit and infinite growth, so when we see things start to truly contract, we will know that a corner has been turned because an economic about-face must happen very quickly to prevent a deflationary spiral.

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I love the question and looking forward to hearing thoughts. Imo we have 2 main narratives driving the market. One inflation, and two the real economy. Inflation and the economy are ofcourse both intertwined and the fed speaks to both narratives but sometimes I think the inflation narrative is a little too loud. Inflation at this scale isnt a one off random phenomenon that just needs to be fixed by the fed.

Is it the bottom yet? What the hell is taking so long?

The problem is J Pow, even on his best day is not the center of the financial universe and with respect, is tasked with mission impossible. Nobody knows how this ends.

What we do know is inflation, most especially todays inflation is a result of 200+ central banks policy over the last 50 years, the entire worlds spending, saving, borrowing behavior for the same time period. The worlds resources and how abundant they are, governments laws and trade agreements, labor, wages, productivity, demographics, sustainability, geopolitical tensions, etc. The inflation we see today is a worldwide problem and not for what it does to the share price of AAPL, but the punishing effects it has on the majority of the worlds population but most especially in lower financial classes. For some this means short term pain in the form of recession and the “tough times” it brings. For others it means a complete collapse. Like not knowing where your next meal is going to come from because your country stopped getting imports of food fucking collapse. This is already happening btw. The US dollar being the worlds reserve currency means, if we are feeling pain from inflation, every country that is pegged to our dollar feels it also, but worse. Nearly all the central banks banks around the world made similar monetary policy descisions the last decade.

The point is, people will start to realize that inflation is no longer the “main problem” in this mysterious conundrum we find ourselves in. Inflation sits on top of the economy. You can have a weak economy without inflation, we just happen to have both extremes at the same time, both feeding eachother. J Pow is not our savior in this. J Pow and friends make descisions using lagging indicators like unemployment and CPI while they are making sensitive changes that wont be “felt” in the real economy for 6-8 months.

If we take out the fedtalk and theatrics and just assume they are going to hike at some level for at least the next few months, which is expected. Then that means even if they cut rates in Jan 2023, the actual accommodating effects of those cuts wouldn’t be felt in the real economy for 6-8 months after. Thats June - August 2023 at the earliest.

So from a macro lens, what would the world economy in this example look like in August 2023 if we are in restrictive money territory until then? Whose pricing this in? What are the fundamentals telling us? What are earnings going to look like at least 4 quarters from now? What will equity prices look like then?

The next narrative sentiment wise is hard to judge. I say that because I dont think biden has much credibility, and J Pow’s becomes more and more threatened with every passing month. As more Fedex type news comes out I believe the direction and narrative of the market shifts back to the economy and how bussinesses are actually doing and valued. Yes, recession talk, but getting ahead of what that actually means.
Unemployment, defaults, store closings, bankruptcies, societal challenges, etc.

Mich Sentiment data tomorrow is a fantastic indicator for these questions, I wouldnt expect much market reaction from it, but still worth a read. The number everyone tracks is good but actually dive into it, it will show you how normal everyday Americans are feeling about the economy.

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Wall Street Bulls vs Bears: Reddit - Dive into anything

In summary it looks like the bears are arguing with a tightening monetary policy and reduced P/E valuations, while the bulls are saying inflation has already peaked.

We know that from the latest CPI report that inflation has not peaked. Also, note that one of the bulls is JPMorgan which we already know is secretly warning high profile clients of “something worse than recession”, so we can ignore JPMorgan’s public suggestion to buy the dip.

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Given this last post in which we outline which major events are coming this week, I wanted to take a minute to talk about the impact of each. This is not a “I think this is going to happen and we should position accordingly”, but instead it’s to give us a roadmap for when the numbers drop. Our approach for the coming weeks should be:

  • Review these upcoming events and understand the impact of under/meet/over for each of the forecasts
  • Wait for the news to drop
  • Once the news drops review these analysis against the news drop and use that to position

We start this week with actually three home related data drops - the NAHB Home Builders Index tomorrow at 10AM, and Building Permits and Housing Starts on Tuesday at 8:30. The affect of the NAHB numbers I expect to have a muted but not silent effect on the morning markets.

Note - Feel free to disagree with me on my assessments. With all eyes on FOMC Fed Rate increase this week, I am looking at these numbers almost explicitly as they pertain to our current market narrative of inflation.

[size=5]NAHB Home Builders Index - Monday at 10AM[/size]

Quick overview - this is roughly a survey of NAHB members to provide their opinions on the single-family housing market. It’s intended to be a confidence scale of how they feel about home buying now as well as home buying in the next six months.

Above Forecast Consensus Below Forecast
[color=red]Home buying is still hot, money supply may be high. This could be considered bearish and point to potentially higher rate increases.[/color] [color=green]The most neutral. They’re expecting a 2 point drop month over month. If we hit the numbers, I would consider this bullish as it lends to the markets not pricing in different fed rates (targeting 47).[/color] [color=green]Money supply is waning, home buying is not good. This could be construed as bullish because of the attempts to limit money and lending to rates from the fed coming near .[/color]

Example Position: When this news drops at 10AM, if it meets forecast, I would expect to position to the upside. I will wait for a good entry point and position in SPY calls, probably 1-2 strikes above the current price based on Delta.

[size=5]Building Permits - Tuesday at 8:30AM[/size]

Building permits are roughly a proxy for future constructions. This indicates that there are permits being filed for future home building or enhancements, and could be viewed as almost futures for the housing market. We’ve been seeing a slow decline since May 2022 in this front after falling nearly 10% from April into May.

Above Forecast Consensus Below Forecast
[color=red]More construction is planned in the future as permits have been issued. This would indicate additional buying pressure, which would be bearish.[/color] [color=green]Neutral is a small decrease, which would indicate that new permits are on the decline again. This would be bullish in nature.[/color] [color=green]A larger than expected decrease could mean that the fed rate increases are working which could result in less increases in fed rates. This would be VERY bullish.[/color]

[size=5]Housing Starts - Tuesday at 8:30AM[/size]

Privately owned homes that begin construction over the course of the month. From June into July there was a significant drop off of Housing Starts, from nearly 1.6M to 1.45M. The immediate reaction from the market was bad - SPY dropped significantly in the premarket and then exploded into the green once the market opened.

Above Forecast Consensus Below Forecast
[color=red]New homes are being built at a pace faster than forecast, which could contribute to more supply chain problems and point to high money supply issues. I would consider this bearish.[/color] [color=green]We’re expecting to be flat into August, with the consensus currently listed at 1.445M, just 1,000 less than actuals in July. If this meets this would be bullish.[/color] [color=green]Below forecast will likely resemble last month - immediately bearish, but bullish for the day.[/color]

Immediate First Take on the Above
More possible outcomes lead the market to being bullish with these early week news drops than bearish. I would keep this in mind as we progress through the news drops, and make sure you take profit on downside positions. The housing news drops in particular appear to have delayed rections in the markets, so don’t get faked out by the news saying one thing and the markets doing the other.

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Incredible analysis @SuckyMayor i am really interested to see how this pans out and what we can learn from it.

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I agree with most of this.
The NAHB explanation could be a bit off tho from what I’ve been seeing in my own research leading up to this week. The NAHB is solely focused around builders and whether they see the near and long distant future of the single family housing market to be worthwhile to continue or start new building projects. It very much coincides with the declines of building permits and housing starts. These are actually the main numbers I’m looking at first. Positioning in SPY is fine but there is also an opportunity to look at individual builders stocks (LEN is a good example). This is plenty well covered in my thread that was converted away from HD.

Building permits is spot on.

Housing starts doesn’t just include Privately owned homes.

Love this format tho for future data drops.

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These are all great indicators and very important to this discussion, awesome job! Ill be watching when they come out for any big surprises, but outside of an extreme move I think everyone will be waiting for FOMC

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Note on this: as expected the bad news turned to good news in pretty short order. As insight into housing numbers tomorrow I’d expect more of the same. The numbers will probably not be good and be met with violent downward force, but then a stark reversal once the markets process it and realize demand destruction is alive and well.

Make sure to familiarize yourself with the grids above if you don’t know what each outcome correlates to. I will do something similar for FOMC on Wednesday, but generally we’ve got a pretty good strategy around playing FOMC minutes drop and shouldn’t fix what isn’t broken.

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Yeah if housing somehow ends above consensus then we have problems overall. Be interesting nonetheless

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[Parking notes from TF here, for future reference.]

75% essentially confirmed for FOMC, with > 4% terminal rate. This is from Nick, the official Fed leak.

The Federal Reserve is expected to approve its third consecutive interest-rate increase of 0.75 percentage point on Wednesday, while signaling plans to raise and hold its benchmark rate above 4% in coming months to battle inflation.

Markets seem to have pushed the terminal rate to 4.75% over the last day. Odd that equity market is being so muted.

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Equity markets have responded somewhat to this rise in yields, but was green yesterday when terminal rates were pushed higher over the weekend…

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Bit if a retrospective here, we had starts come in very much above forecast and permits slightly below. When the news dropped I felt that this was neutral to bearish, and I thought that because the markets haven’t been looking too far down the line with their “price it in” actions, and comparatively home starts were way further from forecast than permits so it became a question of greater than/less than simple maths.

Tomorrow is FOMC and @The_Ni has a great excerpt on it above. I may take some time to condense this into a paragraph to make sure we can consume it easily. If I get swamped later, remember for tomorrow there are two plays: the notes and the speech. Don’t get lulled into a false sense of security over the former.

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I think these numbers were good. Just because starts was higher than forecast isn’t a bad thing. Could be backlog of work due to supply chain issues so no surprises there. Permits being down again does show the rate hikes are working so o think we’re in line with effects the fed wants. Probably solidified the 75 bps hike

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Forgot to post this little gem from yesterday…

Basically they were short 111 million barrels in August.

OPEC

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Wanted to throw up a little perspective here from retail automotive side of things. As I think it tends to be a telling signal when it comes to inflation recession etc. As I was in same business in 08 it’s nothing close to that currently. But automotive is the second largest sector there is for consumers next to housing.

We have been in business for 60 years and if you took last 18 months they’d be 18 of our top 20 months historically. That’s including August. However, September we have had a bit of a decline in demand. Supply still is not good and mostly where it was months ago. And acquisition prices for used inventory is still higher than a giraffes ass.

But I am seeing some demand destruction taking hold with rising auto loan rates coupled with ever increasing prices on new and used inventory. As demand ceases what we should see is a decline in used pricing next and incentives coming back on new inventory. This will be the signal that it’s really taking effect.

From my perspective it’s not going to be some bubble burst but more of a slow decline. As we are still likely a year or more from ineventory replenishing back to normal levels.

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Can add to this quite a bit, also been on the retail side for about 20 years with the same small group mixed between medium volume import and a few domestic stores.

I agree with all your comments on profitability, all of ours stores continue to break best ever records not from a volume perspective but with extremely high margins that we’ve enjoyed for quite some time and a decent amount of volume that’s grown enough to significantly drive the bottom line.

Used prices are still high at the auctions but they started to dip more in August than they have and all of our stores are experiencing a dip in used demand, it’s still strong you just have to price inventory a little better than you did 60-90 days ago to maintain a quick turn. It’s a pretty substantial shift in demand at some of our stores and I can only attribute a lot of it to interest rates and lower overall consumer demand but we are in pretty conservative/high credit score markets. Our import stores have all seen a bit of lift in new car volume mainly due to some specific supply chain constraints that have started to ease and new demand is still strong in all of them but the pipeline is starting to show some areas of availability but we’re still sold deep into high demand models. Our domestic stores on the other hand are starting to build a bit of ground stock and even discounting some of the higher volume models (Equinox). On the import side we’re just starting to see dealers get away from additional mark-up on new but MSRP is still holding strong for the most part across the board.

I think auto is going to be next to feel it in profits and a slow build-up of supply but I also don’t forsee a crash due to the backed up supply chain on new and a lot of the big name auto retailers still have extremely low PE’s but I think we start to see profits slide into Q4 and definitely into next year. I may start a small long put position on some of the bigger names like AN - Autonation, LAD - Litha, ABG - Asbury, Group PAG - Penske, KMX - Carmax (think they may feel it sooner being used car focused). The list could go on but I think there’s a long term opportunity to capture some significant downside in these over the next 3-9 months.

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I am still largely bullish on any of the above tickers that feature new cars. AN LAD etc. as that’s where the major supply issues are. We have 9 locations and 6 brands. As you stated import stores are largely better off with supply issues.

However CVNA KMX that have literally 0 new car stores and have over paid for inventory for last year and are largely not proactive in turn rate of inventory are largely going to suffer in any decline in used car valuation. Second segment there is they offer their own in house financing which can take a hit with increased rates and repossessions if and when they tick back up to expected levels.

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I think there’s some longer term pain ahead for new car stores but right now and for the foreseeable future they are a great value. I think some interesting times ahead once supply side gets back to “normal.” Will be interesting to see what things look like with margins but until supply side gets better or economy really starts to hurt I think the near term remains pretty strong on the profitability side.

The near term will definitely be felt most by Carvana and Carmax. I need to stop watching Carvana and play it but think there may be some bigger downside right now in Carmax / KMX. Both have in house finance and I’m not sure either are prepared for some of the losses that could be ahead.

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Interest Rate Decision and Projections
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