Stagflation leading to Recession - The Kodiak Bear Thesis

I mentioned this morning one possible reason for the current rally going on in markets could be due to what is going on with yields in the past week, the 2Y, 5Y and 10Y all down quite a bit currently and the market is basically pricing in saying the Fed will need to come in and they might not be allowed to go as high as they thought they would, even if they want to.

If you look at futures for April 2023 (100-ZQJ2023) you can see the market is now pricing the rate at 4.4% down from 4.75% a few weeks ago, and then December (100-ZQZ2023) pricing at 4.14%. So the yield is not going as high and then December 2023 is pricing in a drop, yield curve coming down.

Also good to keep in mind that in the past, 2-Year Yields have peaked about 1-1.5 months before the end of the Fed hiking cycle.

Likely none of this will be good in the long term, but it is a significant change in the expectations of the markets which helps explain part of the reason why they are up.

December 2023 futures yield curve

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Here are the 2 big longer dated puts buy zones I’m looking at (purple dotted lines). News and data can move things around quickly, but on a technical basis these make sense to me.
374-376 then 385-387 depending on the cocaine in this rally.

Gold, SPY calls, and UUP puts until we see signs of a reversal, hope everyone has a great day

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Great find! If this is really the reason for the bear market rally, then it seems that the momentum is running on hopes and dreams once again of a more dovish fed. In my opinion the fed won’t be walking back on their carefully built hawkishness.

I’ve added SPY 12/16 360p to the watchlist but haven’t entered.

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Little update here.
Sold my SPY and GOLD calls on the day
Have avg into light positions in
HYG Nov 18, 72p’s
SPY Oct 21, 373p’s

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We are in risky business area for these puts.
Sitting at a breakeven right now. Going to be patient. A break above the high of day Ill be cutting for a roughly 2-5% loss.
Well within my personal risk tolerance, and will still be green on the day due to upside plays.
Not planning on playing anymore upside today if it breaks, we already ran pretty hard and im not swinging calls overnight.

I posted this yesterday in the trading floor but it didn’t gain much traction. Posting here to hopefully see what others think! This is a pretty long read, and without adding any spoilers, I am hoping to see some unbiased opinions as it is chock-full of some pretty interesting history and insights that may be of some value. Or maybe its just hogwash… Either way, I’m interested in hearing other perspectives and hopeful that there is some substance that can be beneficial!

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HYG broke high of day, not loving this movement on SPY and more times than it will follow HYG
I’m out here. Going cash gang overnight

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Inflation is coming for Christmas:

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An interesting theory that seems to be playing out.

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Update on these put buy zones, and I apologize this is in the wrong thread.
We are back in this range from a few days ago. As we have seen, we could bounce or breakthrough. Put positions are light until we get confirmation we are going to break below for a possible gap down. Im looking for confirmation in lower lows while watching AAPL, HYG, DXY, VIX, and treasury yields.



As I mentioned yesterday, be prepared to move positions around as things can turn on a dime

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Locking in some profits on morning puts, going to let a few run

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Closed out my overnight puts, will look for some scalping entries

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The WSJ reporter who the Fed uses to leak information out essentially confirmed a 75bps+50bps move:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fed-on-track-for-another-large-rate-rise-after-jobs-report-11665150383

Employers added 263,000 workers in September. While that marked a slight slowdown from the average pace of hiring in recent months, it is still well above the monthly gains of around 50,000 that economists think would keep the unemployment rate from falling.

The unemployment rate dropped to 3.5% last month from 3.7% in August. Average hourly earnings rose somewhat more slowly in September than in the prior month, increasing 0.3% from August and 5% from a year earlier.

Officials are set to debate at their meeting next month how to slow the pace of rate rises. At their Sept. 20-21 meeting, officials penciled in additional, cumulative rate increases of 1.25 percentage point this year. To achieve that, officials could lift their benchmark rate by 0.75 percentage point at their meeting next month and by 0.5 point at their gathering in December.

Fed governor Christopher Waller said Thursday he expected new economic data to be released in coming weeks—including Friday’s employment figures—wouldn’t significantly alter his outlook or that of his colleagues ahead of their meeting next month because inflation is running so far above the Fed’s 2% target.

Mr. Waller suggested officials would debate slowing the pace of rate rises after making their fourth consecutive 0.75-point rate rise at that meeting.

Those comments helped reinforce expectations by investors that the Fed would raise rates by another 0.75 point next month. Investors in interest-rate futures markets see an 84% probability of such an increase at the Nov. 1-2 meeting, according to CME Group.

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Update on this put buy zone from earlier this week, as of now I have 361.5 - 360.5 as the next big support. Its hitting (3) fib lines. YTD, 6 month, and 1 month ish. I’m expecting of course we end up testing that, but its important to remember on big decline days that we wont always get everything in one day.
If you are playing this thesis, keep those targets in mind. Have trades ready for when it looks to be moving, stay agile, secure profits.
Hope all you bears are eating fucking fat today!

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Here are the forecasts for CPI next week. Mean and median are both at 8.1% (to 1 d.p.), with all forecasts 7.9% to 8.3% range.

Cleveland Fed is saying 8.2%. :upside_down_face:

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Im getting real sick of popcorn this year but Ill ofcourse have some ready.

I have a few thoughts about CPI and potentially a big play that could form from it. I haven’t been good this year anticipating where CPI will land, Im also not sure how the market will react unless its a big suprise move. Im not anticipating a big surprise move so Im planning on playing it post drop but any upside move will be shorter scalps.

This is how Im thinking about the next few weeks. If we are thinking about CPI from a fundamental economic point of view anything “elevated” continues to punish most companies and their balance sheets. The damage in respect to current evaluations imo has already been done. Repricing from the effects of inflation and long term cycles is where earnings come in, which Ill swing back around too.

In the longer run the real economy moves in cycles and it takes time for fundamental conditions to improve. When looking at these cycles, we know what almost always happens. CPI declines, fed rate pauses then gets cut, asset prices decline, unemployed goes up, and the economy goes into a recession. Usually the severity depends on the amount of euphoria leading up to the contraction, the fiscal and monetary policy descisions during aswell as their response after, and the amount of fear that rises and how it is managed from the fed and the white house.

What the market thinks are the 2 signals that point towards a new bull market are the exact 2 things that always happens when the economy is going into a recession. Lower CPI and a fed pivot.

“But House, the fed has pivoted before? Whats the big deal this time?”

The big deal is a recession is always seen through the real economy not the stock market. Fedex earnings told us more about the economy than the last 3 CPI reports combined. Inflation has the feds balls by its hands removing the possibility of an early pivot because the risk of the 70’s all over again is too high. Stagflation with 3 recessions over the course of a decade. But this time with a much more sinister consumer and Gov Debt to GDP.
Sound fun to anyone? Sounds like hell to me.

Like I have said all year, I think the fed will pivot when something breaks, this doesnt necessarily mean a crash, Sure have some trades lined up for the possibility, but what I have found to work well with the market we have is focus on the longer “legs” up and down and have strong daily strategies. Historically when the fed pivots from their 2nd mandate, it happens because even with all of their fancy models and formulas they are making descisions on lagging indicators. When this pivot comes I pray rates went high enough that taking us back to 0% with QE is enough to weather the all out shit storm I still see heading our way.

I try not to sound ranty, I think sometimes I have a ranty thought process. My apologies.
Okay, back to the next few weeks, and why I think fundamentals may meet sentiment soon and how Im thinking about trading that possibility.

From a monetary policy standpoint its important but wherever CPI lands we are still left guessing what the fed will do next.

I mention this because if CPI comes in “as expected” or even lower I still think the market takes that as a signal we are on the other side and a fed pivot is in the bag. Listening to consistent fed talk since even before J Hole, I see that as highly unlikely.

I will play whatever is in front of me, my P/L has greatly improved since I fully committed and built a strategy around this. Thank you Valhalla.

But there is a real possibility this opens up a big play. I dont care where CPI comes in at, if the market reacts positively, and hopefully with full force :pepepray: earnings start heating up soon after. Dip buyers may get away with big tutes on Friday, but the week after is maddness. I will have puts on by then regardless of what happens with CPI, but in the chance the market uses CPI to reminisce about the stimmy fueled “good ol days” those puts pay very well if earnings season comes in as planned. (Detailed In original stag thesis) If CPI doesn’t deliver a rally, then the earnings play is still on, just might not be the mother of all bull traps I listed above.

Risk management and bull case
I posted details of my go to trading strategy I have been working on all year on discord. Its always evolving but I put a lot of time into it because as much as I want to make money in this bear market, I also want the next one to be easier. Indicators, sectors, option strategies etc.

Ive also learned mindset is extremely important to risk management. Staying green is the only thing that matters. Its violent, choppy and hard to trade. I fully anticipate at some point we get another all out balls to the wall bear market rally like we saw late June, maybe a few. Will they come? Idk, but as long as I anticipate one it keeps me from getting comfortable.

The short term bull case for this play is earnings broadly speaking come in better than expected or the fed changes their tone more dovish or signals a pivot. (A pivot and fed talk speaking towards their first mandate controlling inflation, not their 2nd mandate)

Example: Pick your favorite fed president -“We believe with recent declines in core CPI aswell as signs of demand weakening and asset repricing that 75bps may not be necessary in coming meetings”*

*Possible but not plausible. This would be rare with what they have continued to tell us since before J Hole and where inflation currently sits. We also have the latest unemployment numbers last week that gives them more room to tighten, their words not mine.

*** Good reminder to any yahoo reading this, these are always my trades with my risk tolerance, Im not suggesting anyone do anything with their own money based on my views. ***

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Here is what im seeing in the chart, I still have a few decently sized put positions for a little more downside early next week. They are fuck all green so Ill take the risk, but outside of a very strong declining trend monday morning Ill be looking to take profits. From there Im expecting some chop into CPI assuming there isnt any big news story that moves markets.

Any rally into or from CPI I will be watching these same buy zones for puts.

Im watching this important support, but if it breaks im going to still be patient, I dont think we get a big move without news until CPI and we also saw a similar pattern in may where we had a clean break through LoY and recovered quickly. Im chomping at the bit for steep declines but I dont want to catch a headfake.

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As always well written I was having similar conversation today with a buddy. The scenario I layed out to him was actually the FOMC minutes come out Wednesday and the Fed is even hinting at a slow down or is slightly dovish the market could react like it’s shot out of a cannon. A majority of the recent minutes releases this year have resulted in upward movement after through the end of the day. With exception of the last one if I recall. (By no means do i think the FED is going to be dovish or that this is guaranteed thing) simply laying out the perfect scenario.

If this happens followed up by the next day a neutral or lower CPI report this could cause an absolute injection of jet fuel into the market providing essentially the golden opportunity for what’s inevitably coming and a catastrophic earnings season with so many big names the following weeks.

My cautionary sentiment here would be the expectancy of a bad ER season this quarter. I’ve mentioned this in other threads that these are coming but I’m not entirely sure what quarter they come in. As largely most companies reporting soon are reporting on the months that were still largely booming and inflating.

What will be the telling sign is when the companies as we have seen start shifting their guidance downward. As most of the guidance was issued well in advance and unbenounced to many they did not expect the current economic times or inflation to be anything other than transitory.

Well they were all wrong. As we have seen with FDX and even AMD recently. Hell what started this whole fiasco was a global semi conductor shortage the most bullish thing for a semi conductor producer like AMD. And when that is still an ongoing issue and AMD adjusts guidance leads me to believe that the rose covered glasses aren’t quite what they were at beginning of this year.

I’ll be playing the same strategy as you have mentioned. If wave goes up ride it. And then collect entry’s for what is to come soon enough. Even if we see earnings beats. The major SPY QQQ tickers when they start to report just one with a bad miss or negative guidance can catastrophically rip the market with it. As we saw earlier with SNAP.

Now let’s all hope this movement works the way house laid out and make money moving both ways. I personally am looking forward to another awesome week.

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Very much in agreement here - consumer spending is strong, wages are still rising*, lots of jobs still being added, and unemployment actually went down. Difficult to see how revenue numbers come out bad from this, though bottom line may be more squeezed. More likely that earnings are fine-ish, but companies stop providing guidance because they too don’t know how bad it will get, and by when.

* While wages are a cost to companies, they are often only a fraction of the cost structure. Thus, labor could be 20% of total costs, so if wages rise by 5%, actual impact to bottom line is 1%. Meanwhile, people are taking that 5% and spending a good chunk of on stuff.

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My conviction for Q3 / Q4 earnings comes from Q2 earnings and the Fedex warning. Q2 Earnings We had some big surprises to the down side, and started hearing companies signal concerns about macro. Have economic conditions improved since then? Not from what I can see. While Q2 earnings showed some increases in revenue, in most cases any potential growth in profit was eaten up by yes wages, but also elevated GOGS, general expenses like shipping / utilities due to energy and higher borrowing rates.

Wages are up but real wages are down. Yes we have continued to see record borrowing with extremely low savings rates, but how far will that get us? That is artificial demand when credit is being tightened, consumers are already overextended in most cases, and it all has to be paid back.

Im not saying companies go bankrupt during earnings, Im saying that I dont believe the evaluations most companies have outside of sectors tied to hard assets or consumer staples currently have future risks and headwinds priced in. Even with current ytd declines. If companies refuse to give guidance due to uncertainty I think we end up in the same place anyways.

And 2nd, Fedex drops an atomic bomb and the next trading day spy was green. Fedex didnt just reference slower demand, they also announced closing over 100 stores. This doesnt happen imo when economic conditions are healthy and growing.

Fedex is a fantastic leading indicator for the broad market as they make their money from consumers and businesses alike.

I appreciate the perspective as always and Im looking forward to diving into the financials with you guys

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First, for FOMC minutes, I posted a thread with detailed charts of the day from all FOMC minutes this year: Charting the FOMC Minutes Days


I think we could possibly see headline CPI drop simply due to the dip in gas prices last month. But all signs are pointing to oil prices going back up and it’s going to be a real back & forth struggle between tight supply and demand destruction. Food prices continue to go up that I’ve seen at the store. (Shocking, I know…)

Unless something magical happens, I don’t see CORE dropping any, everything is becoming too entrenched simply because we haven’t seen any real demand destruction yet and has been pointed out employment is still running way stronger than anticipated. I feel like companies think they can outlast the fed and expect a pivot soon so nobody wants to lay off any significant amount of workers.

As we also seen from CORE CPI, a single monthly drop does not a trend make, so even if we go down a hair this month I’m still not holding my breath until we see continued improvements for multiple months. (MoM last time went up from 0.5% to 0.6%).

Let’s also talk about Friday’s wage number. While inflation is still up above 8%, workers are only seeing a 5% increase in pay. So in reality they are taking a 3% pay cut simply due to inflation. As long as those numbers are inverted we are slowly chipping away at the middle class. THIS IS THE MOST DANGEROUS ASPECT TO PROLONGED PERIODS OF HIGH INFLATION. You will end up pushing more people into poverty simply because there is no way wage growth will be able to keep up as you will be fighting a cycle of everything going up. The fed has to break the cycle now.

I also agree that we are likely to see strong earnings from this past quarter, simply because we didn’t see the demand destruction that everyone was hoping for. It’s going to boil down to forward guidance and even then last earnings there were plenty of misses and bad guidance yet stocks were going up because people thought they were buying the dip because the bottom was near.

Honestly to me, all signs point to the Fed continuing their path and probably aiming to push rates even higher simply because things are not easing up as was expected / projected. With everyone trying to fight the fed thinking they will give up and flinch first, the soft landing everyone was hoping for is now looking like it’s going to be a mile long train wreck. Keep in mind, before 2008 crash we were at 6.25% fed fund rate and everyone was happy. Since then the market got used to interest free loans, and now that era is coming to an end.

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