The Think Tank: Macro Discussion and Opportunities Brainstorming

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@Labubs the general thrust of the article makes sense. The overall consensus seems that markets will have to correct at some point. However, there isn’t consensus on the when - next week because we seem a bit overextended and just had opex? After March opex because massive amounts of calls expire then? Over the summer, as macro and earnings trends become crystal clear? By Q3, if inflation flares up again?

Here’s another perma-bear who does a better job, I think, of presenting relevant data: Mott Capital Management's Articles | Seeking Alpha

Of course, since they are perma-bears, the market is always on the verge of a correction/crash, and we need to discount their opinions as a result. The data, however, seems to be of decent quality.

Also, didn’t understand the note about the shorts - I think he’s conflating things.

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One thing I’m averaging into this year is bonds. As we’re approaching the tail end of the hiking cycle (hopefully), rate cuts will start to be priced in and I don’t want to miss the boat.

I personally think this a no brainer at this point due to the fact that if the economy does suffer, the Fed will have no choice but to cut interest rates ahead of schedule which will shoot up the value of bonds like they did in '08.

If the economy is stable throughout this hiking cycle, then they’ll start melting up again and to me it looks like there’s been an overreaction/correction to the current value of these 20+ Year Bonds. Just look at the the gap between the current value and the Weekly 200 MA (currently at 2013 levels).

By averaging into bonds once a quarter, I won’t have to worry about timing the bottom or missing out when money starts rotating in. Also, should inflation be stickier than anticipated, I won’t suffer as big of a drawdown (compared to those who’ve been holding this entire time).

I’m excited to see where this position will be in a couple of years.

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Thank you for the reply, it’s much appreciated! You’re right, it’s definitely been becoming more and more clear that I really need to be vigilant with separating out the personal opinions from the hard data, especially with these kinds of articles/videos/etc. It really is very nice that this is one of the areas where the forum and server format really shines, a fresh pair of eyes or ten is hugely helpful with this sort of thing!

So, re: the whole Overnight USD Libor being > the SPX Dividend Yield = positive returns on a long term short position… I re-read through that section and it does seem to rely on a few assumptions, mainly that nominal GDP growth will not exceed 2.9% this year and/or will go negative…this is exactly the sort of area where I can end up cross-eyed trying to make heads or tails out of it all haha. ^Time ^for ^a ^few ^macro ^refreshers, ^that’s ^for ^sure

Thinking out loud on it, it’s like okay, does the guy have a valid thesis that was built from reviewing the data he’s presenting, or is he trying to fit a square peg into a round hole using data points and comparisons to match his pre-existing idea of how things ‘should’ shake out? Is the Overnight Libor compared against Div Yield and GDP actually regularly taken into consideration by smarter money, is it a metric they’re beginning to use more again, or is it just another case of “Oh hey, these graphs look similar to 2007 too, can’t go wrong with that hook over a long weekend now that things might be looking a bit bearish again and some uncertainty is back in the water!”…like I’m sure all three are used on Wall St as far as trying to get an idea of where things are headed, but how often in conjunction with each other under those specific timeframes in the context of SPX positioning?

Ah, getting a little ramble-y now typing my thoughts out, if nothing else this is a great reminder for me to make sure to cross reference the data drops and all these different opinion pieces and see what (if any) consensus or serendipity there may be waiting to be found; and speaking for myself, how easy it can sometimes be to form immature opinions based on limited or even sometimes possibly irrelevant data, especially when it’s wrapped in opinions I want to be correct in the short term.

Haha and yeah, the “When” is literally the million dollar question, right?..Looks like a pretty big week on the data front, things should be pretty interesting after the close to the week we just had, hopefully we’ll have a clearer overall picture this Friday.

I appreciate the reading recommendation, bookmarked him! I should probably also find some good data-driven bull authors to read through as well, to help balance my own biases out and get back to playing both sides as opposed to just sitting around waiting for kinda long shot retests for a quarter or two… although I have been bearish and don’t want to lose money, I also don’t want to be cheering on people’s retirement accounts getting slammed for my three puts…

Thanks again, your reply was very helpful, it got me thinking about more than a few things!

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Interesting! There is the risk that rates will be raised higher for longer, for market has taken off rate cuts until the very end of the year.

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On the other hand, am seeing reports of money flowing into bond ETFs too, so others share your view.

We have two threads on bonds:

Would you perhaps share how you’re looking at playing bonds in a bit more detail? Which ticker, duration etc. Thanks!

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Sure!

Ticker: TLT (shares)
Total Allocation: 25% of portfolio
Allocation per quarter: 6%
Timeframe: 12 months

The goal here, and what I assume the inflow could represent, is to have bond exposure prior to 2024 rate cuts and optimizing an average price instead of worrying about timing or holding an overexposed position through continued downturn.

As I mentioned there’s only two scenarios I’m seeing at the moment:

Scenario 1: Economy Bad = Early Rate Cuts
Scenario 2: Economy Holds = Projected Rate Cuts

An unexpected re-acceleration of inflation could shift the timeline further out, but from the current data and Fed rate plan it appears they won’t allow it to get back to the peak.

I mentioned playing the reversal in the bonds r screwed thread, I think, would love to hear others chime in.

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Since ISM Manufacturing is coming out on Wed, wanted to re-share this infographic - it continues to be one of the “most accurate coincident indicators of a bottom in equities when a recession occurs”:


(Source)

Doesn’t look like we’re near bottoming yet:

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This is likely the macro variable to keep an eye on to get a sense of when the bottom is.

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Tl;dr: Rising rates screwed SIVB as it had to sell securities at a loss to meet significant withdrawals. Down 80% in one day, and not clear yet. Risk of contagion to the greater banking sector unclear.

Shares of SVB ($SIVB), the parent of Silicon Valley Bank, fell more than 60% during regular trading hours and another 20% AH, after it disclosed losses of nearly $2 billion following a larger-than-expected “decline in deposits”. It raised raise $2.25 billion in fresh capital by selling new shares, but word is a bank run is continuing. Probably didn’t help when the CEO said “stay calm” and “don’t panic”.

This could be a canary-in-the-coalmine incident.

SIVB is a decent sized bank with 200B in assets. It’s not SI, or even SBNY - no crypto exposure. It has fallen victim to something that is hitting every single bank now - rising rates. When rates rise, bond values fall. Banks buy treasuries (usually bonds) with deposits from customers. Normally, if there are significant withdrawals, banks just sell the treasuries and meet the withdrawal request. Trouble starts when they have to sell assets at a loss to meet withdrawals.

Banks will mark a portion of its assets mark-to-market (MtM) (and take losses on as value falls, as rates rise). They have $26B of this. However, there is another $91B that is not MtM because they intend to hold them to maturity. Things like MBS and CBS. But if they were forced to MtM, this would be worth $76B. In other words there is a $15B gap. Note also that they have $16B in equity.

Under normal circumstances this would be fine because they would, really, hold those assets to maturity. But if there is a bank run, then things get real ugly. This $2B could be just the tip.

To make matters worse, Peter Thiel has advised funds to withdraw their money from the bank, and some are reporting wire transfers are not going through. In other words, a bank run on SIVB is underway.

Is this a Lehman moment? Unlikely right now, as SIVB is not systemically important. However, this can act as the match for a potential Lehman moment. Regional banks (ETFs IAT and KRE - graphs below) are down 8% too. Only the largest banks with a diversified asset base will likely not be affected at all by this rising rates issue.

This is a developing situation, and we should keep a close eye on it.

By the way, this is a good example of Fed rate hikes breaking things. Might give JPow a reason to keep the next hike at 25bps.

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Its interesting to think of monetary policy lag effects in this context, if this really is a fed “tightening until something breaks” moment.
We are always at least +6 months from the time the first rate cut goes into effect before that policy change is actually felt.
When J Pow and friends (for whatever reason) believe its time to cut rates, even if its spontaneous… real accommodating relief from that moment carries that same lag.
Definitely something to keep an eye on, these things have ripple effects and counterparty risk is messy.

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I thought this was a good read. And fitting to the context. Also @TheHouse good to see you as always!

But the magnitude of deterioration in the labor market is likely to disappoint investors, says strategist

Investors in the U.S. stock market will be watching Friday’s jobs report closely with a hope that any signs of
weakness in the labor market could give the Federal Reserve more room to go easy with its next interest-rate hike in two
weeks.

Investors currently expect the Fed to re-accelerate the pace of rate hikes at its March 21-22 meeting, which could
lift the terminal rate above the 5% to 5.5% level officials had forecast in December. The views deepened after Fed Chair
Jerome Powell’s semiannual monetary policy testimony before Congress earlier this week.

Powell said Tuesday that the central bank may need to raise interest rates higher than expected in response to recent
strong economic data, while emphasizing that monetary policy decisions will remain “data dependent.” A day later, he
said no decision has been made on the potential size of interest-rate hike in March.

Powell’s comments put more focus on a flurry of economic data due between now and March 22, which includes Friday’s
February jobs report, next week’s consumer-price index, and updated readings on the producer-price index and retail
sales.

See: Want to know the precise number of jobs that would push the Fed to hike by 50 basis points? There isn’t one.

Investors hope a “softer” employment report on Friday could alter monetary policy expectations and get the Fed to take
a lighter touch in raising interest rates.

The U.S. economy likely added 225,000 jobs in February, according to economists polled by The Wall Street Journal.
While such an increase would be historically strong, it would mark a slowdown from an originally reported 517,000 spike
in employment in January.

See: Big U.S. jobs report for February could decide size of next Fed rate hike. Wall Street expects 225,000 gain

“The potential for a ‘soft’ jobs number or cooler inflation trend can work to reset the narrative into the upcoming
Fed meeting. We see a good chance of those two indicators surprising to the downside,” wrote Dan Victor, an associate at
Posto Asset Management, in a Thursday note.

“In this scenario, stocks could get a boost higher as interest rate forecasts roll back with a confirmation of the
disinflationary process and evidence the Fed’s policy strategy is working.”

However, Victor said the problem stock-market bears face is the challenge of reconciling a view that inflation is re-
accelerating, while also predicting economic conditions to collapse. That juxtaposition comes into play with the
upcoming jobs report because any signs of slowing job gains could undermine the view that the labor market is still too
hot, as a core inflation driver.

Meanwhile, the magnitude of deterioration in the labor market might not be large enough to alter the rate consensus or
even reset market policy expectations, said Sven Schubert, head of macro research of Vontobel’s Vescore Boutique in
Zurich, Switzerland.

“We already see signs that the labor market is softening. Quit rates, for example, those people that are on their free
will leaving the labor force, are dropping to a two-year low,” he said. “We have already seen a softening in wage
growth, which is still not in line with the 2% inflation target by the Fed, but it’s indicating that we are close to the
peak, maybe passed it already,” Schubert told MarketWatch on Thursday.

U.S. stocks finished sharply lower on Thursday. The Dow Jones Industrial Average slumped 543 points, or 1.7%, to
32,254. The S&P 500 shed 1.9%, while the Nasdaq Composite dropped 2.1%.

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I’ve been eyeing long dated puts on PSCF (Invesco S&P Small Cap Financials ETF) off of this development. I doubt that SVB is the only one with over exposure in bonds at a big loss. This could be the first of many smaller banks to fall victim to high interest rates.

A more precise play would entail looking at individual intuition’s financials and finding their unrealized bond losses along with their liabilities and asset structure.

In the case of SVB, and unlike bigger banks, their asset sources are limited which is what causes this liquidity crunch. Regardless of their overall financial strength, many people could start reducing their exposure in these institutions which will then turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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SIVB is apparently looking to sell itself, after attempts to raise $2B have failed. (Source)

Stocks fell 60% yesterday, and another 40% or something overnight, leading to a 85% decline in 2 days. That gives it a valuation of $6B.

Yet… it has $200B in assets and $15B in shareholder’s equity. Unless the bank literally fails and is FDIC-ed away, there could be an asymmetric opportunity here. I would not be surprised if this gets bought out over the weekend for a reasonable amount by one of the larger entities. SVB had cornered the VC world; that is worth paying a premium for. Will keep an eye on this and maybe start a position later in the day.

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Other banks that could be in trouble:

https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20230310718/20-banks-that-are-sitting-on-huge-potential-securities-lossesas-was-svb

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Good point. Adding onto this a quote from Wall Street Millennial’s latest video summarizing the SVB situation regarding broader implications:

While the Silvergate and SVB collapses are certainly shocking, there is currently no reason to believe this will cause a 2008 level financial disaster. The 2008 crisis was precipitated by a sharp decrease in real estate prices in a wave of mortgage defaults. Almost all banks had exposure to mortgages, so this turned out to be catastrophic for the entire industry. The collapse of SVB was caused by a dry up of cash in the venture capitalist industry. Most large banks today have minimal exposure to money-losing startups and are thus unlikely to suffer the same pain.

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Found an interesting gem of a Reddit comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/11opz1j/comment/jbu72m6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

This user kept a diary from 2007 and 2008, and typed out some of these key notes from the GFC:

Thursday, January 17, 2008

Giant plunge in the markets today (3%). Markets are terrible… down around 10% for the year so far. I’m afraid to update Quicken, to see how bad the damage has been on our portfolio…

Sunday, July 13, 2008

Federal Reserve announced it would back Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac if needed, but there would be no more bailouts. On Friday, these two mortgage companies had something like 20x normal volume, and were very volatile.

Monday, July 14, 2008

Stocks started up after the weekend announcement, but ended up down. Financials beaten up badly…

Wednesday, July 16, 2008

Wells Fargo had lower losses than expected, and announced a dividend increase. As a result, the market was up about 3% today.

Friday, September 5, 2008

News tonight that the government may takeover Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This is going to be bad for the markets on Monday…

Monday, September 8, 2008

Markets were all up, exactly what I didn’t expect, because of the removal of the uncertainty regarding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But I’m glad we’re not direct shareholders of those two companies.

Monday, September 15, 2008

Big news this morning… Lehman Brothers filing bankruptcy, and Merrill Lynch being bought by Bank of America.

Friday, September 19, 2008

Big news in the morning… the government wants to set up a fund to buy bad assets from banks. Mixed news to me… why should taxpayers have to pay for banks, real estate speculators, home builders, and buyers who blew the housing bubble up? Privatized gains, socialized losses, as they say. It’ll cost something like $800 billion.

Monday, September 22, 2008

Big news in the markets… Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley have changed from investment banks to normal banks.

Monday, September 29, 2008

Big bailout deal failed to pass the House. Stock markets absolutely tanked… S&P down 9%.

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JPM peacocking their risk assessment… can’t blame them lol

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Any opinions on this thread? Not really my forte. Re: commercial real estate

https://twitter.com/GRDecter/status/1638901807027044356

As annoying as I find the “Few.” guy’s tweets, his tweets have piqued my curiosity regarding the lumber/gold ratio.

So right now he is correct that gold is hugely outperforming lumber. See $GOLD vs $LBS. The guy has a paper on this relationship where he proposes in summary (I just read his paper linked below):

  • Lumber represents real time demand in housing
  • Housing is the first to soften and first to pick back up in recession and recovery cycle
  • When lumber leads gold on an average of 13 week duration, it is a leading indicator to go “aggressive”, e.g. risk on
  • When gold leads lumber on an average of 13 week duration, it is a leading indicator to go “defensive”, e.g. risk off

Thoughts? This is the first I’ve heard of using lumber, let alone Lumber vs Gold relationship, as a leading indicator.

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NFP median estimate is 235K.

As Jim Bianco points out, economists have underestimated NFP adds every time for the last 11 times. Is a dozen on the way, or will this one be an inflection point?

Too bad equity markets closed tomorrow - futures are open for business though.

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Another insightful share from Jim Bianco: The Bank Walk (not Run) may have started a rapid onset of a credit contraction already. Another Fed hike will allow money market funds to offer 5% next month will exacerbate this dynamic.

Total loans at all domestically charted banks are $12.07 trillion (blue). This amount is down $104.7 billion in the last two weeks (middle). This is the largest $ drop ever (data starts in 1974).

On a percentage basis (bottom), total loans fell 0.86%, the most since December 2009.

Deposits have been diving for months.

What might be possible plays on this?

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Possible plays would include:

-shorting XLF
-shorting the Russell 2000
-shorting mid-size regional banks that are publicly-traded (not going to name any since I represent a lot of them on unrelated matters)
-looking at potential calls on big tech companies (money often retreats to a “safer” economic space when one sector is struggling)
-looking for an opportunity to go long on the larger financial institutions that are strong and can absorb their smaller competitors (e.g. JPM, Citi, BofA, etc.). Not saying now is the time to go long. I would wait for a better opportunity given potential future market turbulence, but starting to look at these larger banks for long-term investments is a great potential play.

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